| Friday, August 26, 2011. Chaos and violence continue, Turkey enters World's  Biggest Liar contest with a laughable denial, the Kurdish Parliament demands an  apology from the Turkish government, US forces in Iraq beyond 2011 is explored,  Iraqi youths get ready for the return of Tahrir Square protests next month, and  more.     Monday on KPFA's  Flashpoints, Kevin Pina  spoke with journalist Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya and he was then trapped in his  hotel with shooting going on all around.  Kevin Pina noted, "We're asking all of  our listeners to please call the Canadian Foreign Affairs Ministry at  1-800-267-8376 and demand that Canada contact the Transitional National Council  of Libya and tell them to respect the right of international journalists  especially Canadian journalist Mahdi Darius Naemroaya. Again that number to  contact the Canadian Foreign Affairs Ministry at 1-800-267-8376."  There are, at  best, jokes being made about the safety of unembedded journalists and, at worst,  threats being made.  On Tuesday's  show, Dennis Bernstein featured an interview Mahdi  gave RT.   And Wednesday night came Richard Boudreaux's "After Six Days, Journalists Freed in Libya "  (Wall St. Journal ).  That article didn't include Mahdi's name but he  and others at the Rixos Hotel were moved to another one.  Instead of reporting  on that -- a minor story -- or on the actual suffering the Libyans are  experiencing.    Instead, we have a bunch of pampered little children who are now showing  their soiled diapers to the public.  And if that seems harsh, so does playing  the victim insted of the journalist.  No Matthew Chance and Jomana Karadsheh,  you are not the story, you are the reporters.  And CNN was never going to allow  you to be harmed.  The most 'damage' you experienced was a bunch of bad  pay-per-view TV (or, as Matthew Chance whines, "an old DVD of Point  Break" -- oh the tragedy!).  Your continued histionics make you sound less  like saps and more like tools of imperialism really reaching to sell the notion  of 'my hard times under Gaddafi!'   Matthew Chance is such an idiot.  Explaining their five-day ordeal  -- Gaddafi had  assigned youths to watch the foreign journalists.  When Gaddafi disappears (to  wherever) the youths are unsure what to do.  No surprise there, they were  flunkies of the lowest level on the chain (meaning independent decisions were  not among their strengths so when those issuing orders began to flee Tripoli,  the youths were left stupified).  That's why they were the ones selected to  protect the journalists.  So everyone's in a holding pattern for five days (the  so-called ordeal). Listen to the 'torture' the 'journalists' experienced: "The  hotel's generator, which kept the electricity supply going, ran out of fuel.   Then the lights kept going off."  Oh, my goodness.  Who knew that a war zone  wouldn't be the New York Palace in Manhattan!!!!  You mean to tell me that going  into a war zone means you might not have electriticy around the clock and the  lights might keep "going off"?  The tragedy.  In the future, all wars should  only take place at four-star resorts with adequate room service.  And personal trainers!!!!! 'Brave' Matthew confesses, "We survived in the  end on crisps and chocolate.  It sounds odd but I actually managed to put on  weight during my five-day ordeal."  No, it doesn't sound odd, it sounds  pathetic.  Grow the hell up and stop trying to pretend that you were in any  danger.  You clearly weren't.  Young men on orders to protect you didn't know  what to do when Gaddafi disappeared so they made you remain at the hotel, which  was not invaded, which was not hit by any bombs, which was the safest place you  could have been in Triopoli because everyone knew journalists were present.  As  Matthew tries to paint a picture of himself as the next Patty Hearst, the  reality is that, as he lets slip throughout, they weren't in prisoners in their  rooms, they roamed through the hotel day and night.  They (the journalists)  decided they'd all share a common space and not individaul rooms. They (the  journalists) they'd check out the basement.  On and on it goes, this is not a  hostage situation.   At best Matthew Chance had an amusing tale to share.  Instead, these  pathetic 'reporters' are trying to equate their little adventure with the  serious danger that the citizens of Libya have been put into with the Libyan  War. And, Jomana, when you're in the Red Cross vehicle, it's no time to cry.   And when you know a camera's present, stop the waterworks and try to act like a  reporter.  As the only woman -- or 'girl' -- pictured, your little waterworks do  a disservice to female journalists all over the world.  Though you were never in  any danger up to that point, acting like a cry baby once you're being  escorted by the Red Cross makes you look unfit to cover any story (but may  distract from the fact that you've clearly put on many pounds since leaving Iraq  to mis-cover the Libyan War -- which, please remember, found Jomana repeatedly  lying to various reporters about where she was actually from and her ethnicity  -- apparently forgetting that she had Tweeted repeatedly about her background in  the past and anyone could do a quick computer search and expose her myriad of  lies).  Your constant cry for sympathy refuses to acknowledge your silence on  NATO's bombing of Libyan TV which targeted and wounded and killed journalists.   Refused to cover it, refused to cover Amnesty International calling out that  attack.  Now you want sympathy because you stuffed your fat ass with candy and  chips for five days while watching movies and roaming through the halls of  the hotel in some sort of pathetic homage to The Breakfast Club .  Susan  Glasser on today's Diane Rehm Show  (NPR -- second hour) stated that the  'journalists' were without food and water.  That is incorrect.  It is flat out  wrong.  And she needs to stop saying that.    It is a posh hotel with an indoor swimming pool and much more.  It had 24  hour room service.  For less than a week, food deliveries stopped.  New food  being delivered stopped.  However, canned food was plentiful.  Though some cry  babies may not like to eat it, US troops in Iraq eat far less fashionable foods  as do the people of Iraq.  The cry babies had tons of canned food, Matthew even  notes that in his report on the 'ordeal.'  They were obviously sugar cravers  (looking at the photos of them) and they chose to instead gorge on potato chips  and candy. They were never without water. Were they horribly parched to the  point of dehydration at any point (they weren't),they could've drawn water from  the large, indoor swimming pool.  They were in more danger of dehydrating in the  hotel's sauna than they were from lack of water.  (The hotel had a gym, a health  center, two on site restaurants.  That's why the claim of running out of food is  so laughable.  Two food establishments and room service?  Food deliveries could  have stopped for a month and the remaining guests would not have starved.)   They're in far more danger in their new hotel (under 'rebel' control) than they  were at the Rixos Al Nasr.       Dennis Bernstein: We're going to take it to Canada now and be  joined by Michel Chossudovsky -- he's with the Centre  for Research on Globalization.  He's been communicating  with Mahdi throughout the day, Michel, are you with us?   Michel Chossudovsky: Yes, the situation is extremely serious  because what happened is the independent journalists left the Rixos Hotel, that  was yesterday. They were escorted to a new hotel under the auspices of the  International Organization for Migration which is a UN body and the Red Cross  and they were under the protection of these organizations and then they arrived  in the new hotel, the Corinthia.  The Corinthia turned out to be, in fact, a  hotel which was under rebel control. They celebrated their 'liberation' so to  speak, they had the promise to leave the following morning at twelve noon, 6 ED,  in other words, six o'clock in the morning.  And that was cancelled.  And then  what happened is you had rebel gunmen going around the rooms, using the pretext  that they were going after the son of Gaddafi. And the whole place is, in fact,  a new prison, and this time more seriously because the rebels control it and  they are particularly the journalists who had the courage, determination and  commitment to tell the truth about NATO atrocities.  Particularly the bombing of  the last few days which was devestating resulting in more than a thousand deaths  and several thousand wounded.   Let's remember that the last time Mahdi spoke on Flashpoints  was  Monday and he made a point to stress what Libyans were experiencing and that he  wanted out and felt bad for focusing on that when so many Libyans didn't have  that option.  The soiled diaper crowd never acknowledges the Libyan people, they  just whine about the 'horrors' of Keanu Reeves DVDs and the food available in a  war zone.  Let's also remember the August 16th broadcast of Flashpoints included  a segment with Dr. Khaled Al Bazelya is the head of  Libyan Television's LEC division (their English language channel) :   Kevin Pina spoke with him about the NATO attacks on Libyan TV for  the last three weeks, resulting in the deaths of 3 journalists, with twelve more  injured.  "We are professional journalists. We have nothing to do with -- We are  not politicians. We just transfer the news," Dr. Khaled Al Bazelya explained.  "[. . .] We report what we see. We ask the International Journalist Association  and Human Rights to look into this issue because journalists should be protected  all over the world."  Kevin noted the silence on the attacks.   Reviewing recent events in Iraq today, James M. Lindsay (Council on Foreign Relations)  predicts , that whether the US departs or not, "don't be surprised when Iraq  returns to the front pages later this year." While we wait to see if that  forecast is correct,  AP reports  there will be a send-off  ceremony this afternoon for approximately 160 Alabama Army National Guard  members deploying to Iraq. This as the US and Iraqi governments continue to  debate the details of extending the US stay in Iraq beyond December 31st. Dar Addustour reports  that there is  agreement on both sides regarding tanks, helicopters and armored vehicles but  the number is still being debated (Iraq now wants no more than 8,000 troops  while the US would like 20,000) and there is disagreement regarding immunity for  US troops. From yesterday's snapshot : 
Those who still need to believe in fairy tales  should avoid the interview Josh Rogin  (Foreign Policy) did  with Iraq's Ambassador to the US Samir  Sumaida'ie who states, "The principle that there will be some military presence  [in Iraq beyond 2011] to help train Iraqi military and police has been largely  agreed upon." This jibes with both what US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta  said on Friday  and what Ali al-Dabbagh (Nouri  al-Maliki's spokesperson) said over the weekend . Sumaida'ie addes,  "You'll see it when you see it. Americans want everything now or yesterday. We  don't do it like this. We do it in our own sweet time." Rogin adds: Sumaida'ie tried to explain what's really going on here. He said  that there is a consensus among all political players, with the exceptions of  the followers of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, that Iraq needs some American  military support, particularly when it comes to training, past the end of this  year. "However, the form that this will take and the legal details are still  being debated," he said.  He said the debate over the number of U.S. troops to remain in Iraq  has ranged between 8,000 and 20,000, and that they would be non-combat forces  limited to the training of Iraqi military and police forces.       In Iraq, whatever troop draw downs have occurred have been coupled  with increases in private military contractors. Replacing American troops with  government contracted for-profit troops (we used to call these mercenaries) does not  mean we're actually getting out of Iraq.        Joseph Kechichian:  During WWII and the Korean War, if we remember,  we put hundreds of thousands of soldiers in both theaters. Eventually we would  bring the vast majority back to the United States leaving behind core forces in  both European theater and South Korea, obviously, under the demilitarized zone.  In Iraq, the same situation applies as well.  We've put, at one point, over a  hundred and fifty thousand soldiers plus 150,000 mercenaries that were not  technically soldiers but nevertheless they were Americans for the most part. So  we had about 300,000 people there. We're down now to 48,000 or so. We're pulling  most of the combat troops out. But we're going to leave behind -- as you said,  in a new security forces agreement with the Iraqis -- a new SOFA, if you'd like,  as it is known in its acronym -- between 10,000 and 20,000 soldiers for a very  long time. I think that an accord will be signed between the two governments  very soon. And we're going to have a longterm presence in Iraq for decades to  come --   Jerome McDonnell: Now there are folks who think that's not -- There  are folks who think that's not a great idea and that, really, we'd be doing  better off just going to zero because of what a screwed up mess it is but there  are a lot of people in Washington who want to stay there because of Iran and  things.   Joseph Kechichian: Well in addition to Iran, Iran obviously is a  very serious issue for us in the region for the foreseeable future but I think  that there are -- I don't know the merits of leaving any soldier behind are  worth contemplating at this point.  Simply stated, we have invested way too much  in Iraq right now. A pullout, a complete pullout, without having any kind of  residue left there will essentially mean one thing and only one thing: That the  war for Iraq was for naught and that we made a mistake.      
US troops frequently pop up in Moqtada al-Sadr's online advice column  "Mama Moqtada" -- in fact, you never know what will pop up as Moqtada attempts  to both free style and ramble away in free-association. Al  Mada reports  that in the midst of a reply in which he wrote of  the problem with the security ministries (they lack heads -- two of the three  have 'acting' ministers), the threat of a withdrawal of confidence in the  government, widowhood, bombings, spiritual love and everything but his recipe  for potato salad, Moqtada suddenly launches into the need to "put an end to this  farce" and the Iraqi army and police all get shoved aside as he quickly switches  -- as if on a manic high -- to the issue of Turkey and Iran bombing Iraq. 
 Turkey's bombing of Iraq is a popular news item.  Especially with the  Turkish government's response to their bombing of the Zar Kali village Sunday --  some reports say 7  dead , the mayor of the area has said  eight people were killed .  Hurriyet Daily News reports ,  "Turkish General Staff released a press statement on Friday, refuting claims  that it killed seven civilians during the bombing campaign against the outlawed  Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, on Aug. 21, daily Hürriyet reported on its  website." Today's Zaman adds  that Turkey's  Foreign Ministry "said in a statement released on Friday that reports of the  alleged deaths of the civilians do not reflect the truth and that published  images of people allegedly killed during the raids were fabricated."   Ivan Watson (CNN)  notes, " Iraq's foreign ministry summoned the Turkish ambassador in  Baghdad on Thursday to deliver a diplomatic letter protesting Turkey's aerial  and artillery bombardment of northern Iraq." Sevil Kucukkosum (Hurriyet Daily News)  reports , "Diplomatic relations between Baghdad and Ankara have become  strained due to Turkey's cross-border military operations against terrorist  bases in northern Iraq." Reuters quotes  the Kurdis Parliament  stating, "We demand an end to the presence of Turkish military bases and their  intelligence agencies in Kurdistan's territory.  We demand the Turkish  government make a formal apology to the people and the Kurdistan  government."
   In other attacks, A. Saleh (Kuwait Times) reports , "Three  rockets have hit the border area between Kuwait and Iraq, Al Arabiya TV reported  yesterday quoting diplomatic sources. The pro-Gaddafi TV channel Al Orouba  reported the rockets had targeted Kuwait?s Mubarak port, which is under  construction and has been the subject of arguments between oil-producing Iraq  and Kuwait, which share a small border."  Alsumaria TV reports ,  "The office of Armed Forces General Commander Prime Minister Nuri Al Maliki  denied reports saying that Iraqi territories were used to launch attacks on  Kuwaiti Mubarak Port, a source told Alsumaria. Security sources in Basra  Province revealed on Thursday that unknown gunmen launched three missiles from  inside Iraqi territories on the project's site in Kuwaiti Boubyan Island. The  missiles landed in Gulf waters, the sources reported." DPA provides  this background,  "Kuwait began constructing the port in April near Iraq's territorial waters  close to the Gulf, which has been a subject of dispute between the two  oil-producing states. Iraq says the port interferes with shipping lanes to its  own ports. But Kuwait says the port is being built on its land and within its  territorial waters." Of the Iraqi government assertions about the rockets, Aref Mohammed (Reuters) reports , "Ali al-Maliki,  head of the Basra provincial council's security committee, said the rockets were  aimed at the former U.S. prison camp Bucca and had a range of only one  kilometre."  The Great Iraqi Revolution declares : "The youth of the revolution will not be carried  away with emotions in dealing with the issue of Port Mubarak, nor will they fall  prey to th the devious schemes which are bent on using public anger against the  building of the port agreed upon by the traitor government in the Green Zone.We  will not walk into the Iranian - Kuwaiti trap which aims at fabricating a new  crisis in the region where we will be the timber to maintain its fire like  before. What is important for us now is to bring down the illegal sectarian  government which is the epitome of the much hated quota system; and to get the  American occupation which is the source of all evil out of the  country. "  Eight months after the Constitution required Nouri al-Maliki to name a full  Cabinet, he's still not named a Minister of National Security, a Minister of the  Interior or a Minister of Defense.  Two of the positions have 'acting' ministers  that Nouri put in those spots -- they're not real ministers.  They are Nouri's  puppets.  Nouri can nominate but the Constitution requires that the Parliament  approve (or not) of any nominee.  While Nouri and his puppets have been in  charge, the violence has gotten worse in Iraq.  Reuters notes  a Tarmiya roadside bombing  injured three children, a Baghdad roadside bombing injured two people, a Baghdad  mortar attack left three people injured and a Jbela armed attack claimed the  life of council member Thamir Ubaid, "his son and his uncle, and wounding one  other relative."
 Though Nouri can't name a Cabinet (as he should have by  December 25th and had it voted on by Palriament), Al Rafidayn reports  that MP  Mohammed Chichod is blaming Iraqiya for all delays. The National Alliance  politician not only blames them for delays in filling the three security posts,  he also accuss them of leading a "regionally funded scheme attempting to  overthrow Nouri al-Maliki's government.
 In Wednesday's snapshot   we covered the issues facing foreign workers in Iraq -- subcontractors promising  to take care of paperwork that ends going unfiled, subcontractors bailing the  country and not paying the workers' the wages they have earned, the awful living  conditions, the Iraqi government's decision to not only fine the workers but  also to begin deporting them, etc. Rebecca Murray (IPS) reports :
 Ukrainian and Bulgarian workers are currently camped  out on a construction site of half-built luxury villas in Baghdad's elite "Green  Zone" – a vast security enclave housing government offices, embassies and  international NGOs - demanding their salaries before being shipped back  home.
 Although the 2005 Iraqi  constitution bans human trafficking, Iraq has no anti-trafficking law that  prosecutes offenders on the books. Since 2008 an inter-ministerial task force  has been negotiating a draft law for parliamentary approval.
 Over 200 foreign labourers began work on the  prestigious Arab League Summit housing site at the beginning of the year, but  construction was halted in April due to turmoil throughout the Middle East. 
 However, 35 workers have stayed on,  desperate to receive their unpaid wages. Crowded into a rudimentary hall where  they live and sleep, they have no legal working papers and little food and water  in Iraq's intense summer heat.
 Their  handmade signs posted on the construction site fence a couple weeks ago begged  attention. "Please help we are in trouble", said one, while another pleaded:  "SOS Ukrainian Workers".
Ben van Heuvelen and Jewdat al-Sai'di (Iraq Oil  Report) explore the issues and note, "   Many foreign firms cut costs by outsourcing work to local or regional  subcontractors, some of whom seek profits at the expense of both the quality of  their work and the fates of their workers. In a country with few regulatory  safeguards against such neglect, it's up to investors to vet their potential  partners. It's been a problem for not only private companies but also the Iraqi  government and foreign governments, including the United States." Aymenn Jawad al-Tamimi (Daily Star)  explains  the deportations would come under a law that remains a draft and  hasn't yet been passed.  He adds, "Curiously, however, the addiction to foreign  labor has not featured among the declared grievances of protestors who continue  to gather (admittedly in smaller numbers) in Baghdad's Tahrir Square every  Friday."  Protests have not continued every Friday.  Most protesters took  Ramadan off.  The plan is for a new wave of protests to be launched Friday,  September 9th, at 11:00 a.m.  Al Mada reports  that the activists are mibliizing  currently and that they will be calling attention to the failure to resolve the  security crisis, the failure to provide basic services, the political stalemate  and more.  A spokesperson for the rally states that it ends the 30 days the  protesters gave Nouri al-Maliki's government to resign and apologize (the 30  days is the period when they stopped protesting) and that they return to the  streets in the names of the milliions of Iraqis who have suffered from the lack  of security, of the Iraqi children whose dreams have been stolen, of the Iraqi  youth who cannot find employment, of the Iraqi women who are widows or divorced  and live on tiny meager sums, of the Iraqis locked away as detainees or  prisoners with no legal recourse.  They are calling for a legitimate and  responsive government.   Sherwood Ross' "FBI/CIA TRIED TO GET AMERICAN  LAWYER TO BETRAY ARAB AND MUSLIM CLIENTS " (Veterans  Today ):
 Federal agents from the  FBI and CIA/FBI Joint Terrorist Task Force tried to get a distinguished  international lawyer to inform on his Arab and Muslim clients in violation of  their Constitutional rights to attorney-client privilege, this reporter has  learned. When the lawyer refused, he said the FBI placed him on a "terrorist  watch list."
 Law professor Francis Boyle gave a chilling account of how, in  the summer of 2004, two agents showed up at his office (at the University of  Illinois, Champaign,) "unannounced, misrepresented who they were and what they  were about to my secretary, gained access to my office, interrogated me for  about one hour, and repeatedly tried to get me to become their informant on my  Arab and Muslim clients."
 "This would have violated their (clients)  Constitutional rights and my ethical obligations as an Attorney," Boyle  explained. "I refused. So they put me on all of the United States government's  'terrorist watch' lists."
 Boyle said his own lawyer found "there are about  five or six different terrorist watch lists, and as far as he could determine, I  am on all of them." Despite a legal appeal to get his name removed, Boyle said,  "I will remain on all of these terrorist watch lists for the rest of my life or  until the two Agencies who put me on there remove my name, which is highly  unlikely."
    Scott Horton:  I have to wonder too about the fact that, just the  fact that you're Francis Boyle, professor of international law.  So that means  you know better, you understand the ins-and-outs of all the legal processes and  you know when to not say anything and you know when to wait for the supervisor  to come over and what to answer, what not to answer. But what does a non-expert  do under that same ammount of pressure that they put you on.   Francis A. Boyle: That's right.  I mean, obviously, my guess is  that a lot of people -- I was, as far as I can figure out, Scott, just  researching this, that summer 2004, I was on a special list of 5,000 Arabs,  Muslims and their supporters to be interrogated and I suspect they tried to turn  all 5,000 into informants. Now, of course, being a lawyer and a law professor,  it's a sacrilege this was done at a law school. Now there are supposed to be  special guidelines.  You need permission from the Attorney General to mess  around with lawyers.  But apparently they didn't care.  Maybe they had approval  from the Attorney General? I don't know.  But the bottom line is that I didn't  become an informant. How many on that list of 5,000 did become informants?   Yeah.   Scott Hoton: Yeah.   Francis A. Boyle: Subjected to that kind of  pressure.   Scott Horton: Well really you got off easy compared to say Jose  Padilla He refused to become an informant and they turned him over to George  Tenet to be tortured.    Francis A. Boyle: Well something like that could happen, Scott. As  far as I could figure out, this list of 5,000 is probably the list they will use  for a mass round-up after the next major terrorist attack.  We know that those  plans are in place. We know that after 9-11, Ashcroft rounded up 120 Arabs and  Muslims and many of them were abused. So my guess is that the 5,000 is the  working list for the next time and I'm on that list.   Scott Horton: Well and news this week has it that at least as of  2004, an FBI agent did a threat assessment recommedning further investigation  into Antiwar.com.    And we'll stop there (Antiwar.com and the FBI are not pursued as topics in  what follows) to note that Justin Raimondo wrote Sunday  about being informed  of the spying    According to a memo stamped "Secret," marked as "routine," and  dated April 30, 2004, we apparently drew the attention of the feds when we  posted a copy of a "terrorist suspect  list" [.pdf] which had been supplied by the US  government to various corporate and governmental agencies, both here and abroad.  These documents – including one posted on the web site of an Italian banking  association – contained the names of those on a "watch list," the product of an  FBI operation dubbed "Operation Lookout." The memo acknowledges the list "was  posted on the internet" in "different versions," but says the FBI "assessment  was conducted on the findings discovered on www.antiwar.com."  These guys are using us a resource – so why haven't they  contributed to our fund  drive?  The April 30 memo – which was issued to FBI counterrorism offices  in New York, Philadelphia, St. Louis, and San Francisco – is prefaced with the  following rather ominous "administrative" note: "This document contains information obtained under the authority  of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), 50 U.S.C., Section 1801.  Such FISA derived information shall not be used in any criminal proceeding,  including grand jury proceedings …" FISA created a special secret  court, to which the feds have to go to get approval from a judge to tap your  phone, open your mail, and rifle through your garbage. This accounts for the  large number of lengthy redactions that pepper the pages of this report.  Sneaking around corners, and spying on Americans engaged in peaceful and legal  activities, they don't want anyone to know how closely they mimic the methods of  totalitarian governments,       Friday, September 24th  FBI raids took place on at least seven homes of peace activists -- the FBI  admits to raiding seven homes -- and the FBI raided the offices of Anti-War  Committee. Just as that news was breaking, the National  Lawyers Guild issued a new report , Heidi Boghosian's [PDF format  warning] "The Policing of  Political Speech: Constraints on Mass Dissent in the US ." Heidi and   Michael S. Smith and Michael Ratner  covered the topic on  WBAI 's Law and  Disorder Radio  including during a conversation with Margaret  Ratner-Kunstler which you can hear at the program's site by going into the  archives and the program has also transcribed their discussion with Margaret and  you can read it here .  The Antiwar.com  spying was initiated in 2004 (it may or may not be continuing).  Context needs  to be provided for the listeners in some form.  It would be great if  Scott  could book  Heidi Boghosian , Michael S. Smith  or Michael Ratner  (Center for Constitutional Rights ) --  in a perfect world all three for one segment -- and if they could bring him (and  Justin) on Law & Disorder  to discuss the spying.  The programs  shares some listeners but they each also have listeners who only listen to one  of the two.  It would allow the word to get out on what was happening and  provide a context for the spying on Antiwar.com -- spying that is part of the  criminalization of dissent in this country.         |