First up, Jimmy Dore.
They knew it would collapse but it was always going to collapse. You can't impose on others -- you can't impose a government. The US wasn't want in Afghanistan. It achieved nothing in Afghanistan. The end would have been the same whenever it took place. Liars try to pretend otherwise.
Here's a Tweet from Caleb T. Maupin:
Here's C.I.'s "Iraq snapshot:"
Tuesday, August 17, 2021.
Starting with . . .
Afghanistan. Again, it will be used to make arguments regarding Iraq which is why we have to pay attention to it. US President Joe Biden spoke on the issue yesterday.
From the official White House transcript, here are Joe's remarks:
East Room
4:02 P.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. I want to
speak today to the unfolding situation in Afghanistan: the developments
that have taken place in the last week and the steps we’re taking to
address the rapidly evolving events.
My national security team
and I have been closely monitoring the situation on the ground in
Afghanistan and moving quickly to execute the plans we had put in place
to respond to every constituency, including — and contingency —
including the rapid collapse we’re seeing now.
I’ll speak more in
a moment about the specific steps we’re taking, but I want to remind
everyone how we got here and what America’s interests are in
Afghanistan.
We went to Afghanistan almost 20 years ago with
clear goals: get those who attacked us on September 11th, 2001, and make
sure al Qaeda could not use Afghanistan as a base from which to attack
us again.
We did that. We severely degraded al Qaeda in
Afghanistan. We never gave up the hunt for Osama bin Laden, and we got
him. That was a decade ago.
Our mission in Afghanistan was
never supposed to have been nation building. It was never supposed to
be creating a unified, centralized democracy.
Our only vital
national interest in Afghanistan remains today what it has always been:
preventing a terrorist attack on American homeland.
I’ve argued
for many years that our mission should be narrowly focused on
counterterrorism — not counterinsurgency or nation building. That’s why
I opposed the surge when it was proposed in 2009 when I was Vice
President.
And that’s why, as President, I am adamant that we focus on the threats we face today in 2021 — not yesterday’s threats.
Today,
the terrorist threat has metastasized well beyond Afghanistan: al
Shabaab in Somalia, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, al-Nusra in
Syria, ISIS attempting to create a caliphate in Syria and Iraq and
establishing affiliates in multiple countries in Africa and Asia. These
threats warrant our attention and our resources.
We conduct
effective counterterrorism missions against terrorist groups in multiple
countries where we don’t have a permanent military presence.
If
necessary, we will do the same in Afghanistan. We’ve developed
counterterrorism over-the-horizon capability that will allow us to keep
our eyes firmly fixed on any direct threats to the United States in the
region and to act quickly and decisively if needed.
When I came
into office, I inherited a deal that President Trump negotiated with the
Taliban. Under his agreement, U.S. forces would be out of Afghanistan
by May 1, 2021 — just a little over three months after I took office.
U.S.
forces had already drawn down during the Trump administration from
roughly 15,500 American forces to 2,500 troops in country, and the
Taliban was at its strongest militarily since 2001.
The choice I
had to make, as your President, was either to follow through on that
agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the Taliban in the
middle of the spring fighting season.
There would have been no
ceasefire after May 1. There was no agreement protecting our forces
after May 1. There was no status quo of stability without American
casualties after May 1.
There was only the cold reality of either
following through on the agreement to withdraw our forces or escalating
the conflict and sending thousands more American troops back into
combat in Afghanistan, lurching into the third decade of conflict.
I
stand squarely behind my decision. After 20 years, I’ve learned the
hard way that there was never a good time to withdraw U.S. forces.
That’s why we were still there. We were clear-eyed about the risks. We planned for every contingency.
But
I always promised the American people that I will be straight with
you. The truth is: This did unfold more quickly than we had
anticipated.
So what’s happened? Afghanistan political leaders
gave up and fled the country. The Afghan military collapsed, sometimes
without trying to fight.
If anything, the developments of the
past week reinforced that ending U.S. military involvement in
Afghanistan now was the right decision.
American troops cannot
and should not be fighting in a war and dying in a war that Afghan
forces are not willing to fight for themselves. We spent over a
trillion dollars. We trained and equipped an Afghan military force of
some 300,000 strong — incredibly well equipped — a force larger in size
than the militaries of many of our NATO allies.
We gave them
every tool they could need. We paid their salaries, provided for the
maintenance of their air force — something the Taliban doesn’t have.
Taliban does not have an air force. We provided close air support.
We gave them every chance to determine their own future. What we could not provide them was the will to fight for that future.
There’s
some very brave and capable Afghan special forces units and soldiers,
but if Afghanistan is unable to mount any real resistance to the Taliban
now, there is no chance that 1 year — 1 more year, 5 more years, or 20
more years of U.S. military boots on the ground would’ve made any
difference.
And here’s what I believe to my core: It is wrong to
order American troops to step up when Afghanistan’s own armed forces
would not. If the political leaders of Afghanistan were unable to come
together for the good of their people, unable to negotiate for the
future of their country when the chips were down, they would never have
done so while U.S. troops remained in Afghanistan bearing the brunt of
the fighting for them.
And our true strategic competitors — China
and Russia — would love nothing more than the United States to continue
to funnel billions of dollars in resources and attention into
stabilizing Afghanistan indefinitely.
When I hosted President
Ghani and Chairman Abdullah at the White House in June and again when I
spoke by phone to Ghani in July, we had very frank conversations. We
talked about how Afghanistan should prepare to fight their civil wars
after the U.S. military departed, to clean up the corruption in
government so the government could function for the Afghan people. We
talked extensively about the need for Afghan leaders to unite
politically.
They failed to do any of that.
I also urged
them to engage in diplomacy, to seek a political settlement with the
Taliban. This advice was flatly refused. Mr. Ghani insisted the Afghan
forces would fight, but obviously he was wrong.
So I’m left
again to ask of those who argue that we should stay: How many more
generations of America’s daughters and sons would you have me send to
fight Afghans — Afghanistan’s civil war when Afghan troops will not?
How many more lives — American lives — is it worth? How many endless
rows of headstones at Arlington National Cemetery?
I’m clear on
my answer: I will not repeat the mistakes we’ve made in the past — the
mistake of staying and fighting indefinitely in a conflict that is not
in the national interest of the United States, of doubling down on a
civil war in a foreign country, of attempting to remake a country
through the endless military deployments of U.S. forces.
Those
are the mistakes we cannot continue to repeat, because we have
significant vital interests in the world that we cannot afford to
ignore.
I also want to acknowledge how painful this is to so many
of us. The scenes we’re seeing in Afghanistan, they’re gut-wrenching,
particularly for our veterans, our diplomats, humanitarian workers, for
anyone who has spent time on the ground working to support the Afghan
people.
For those who have lost loved ones in Afghanistan and for
Americans who have fought and served in the country — serve our country
in Afghanistan — this is deeply, deeply personal.
It is for me
as well. I’ve worked on these issues as long as anyone. I’ve been
throughout Afghanistan during this war — while the war was going on —
from Kabul to Kandahar to the Kunar Valley.
I’ve traveled there
on four different occasions. I met with the people. I’ve spoken to the
leaders. I spent time with our troops. And I came to understand
firsthand what was and was not possible in Afghanistan.
So, now we’re fercus [sic] — focused on what is possible.
We
will continue to support the Afghan people. We will lead with our
diplomacy, our international influence, and our humanitarian aid.
We’ll continue to push for regional diplomacy and engagement to prevent violence and instability.
We’ll
continue to speak out for the basic rights of the Afghan people — of
women and girls — just as we speak out all over the world.
I have
been clear that human rights must be the center of our foreign policy,
not the periphery. But the way to do it is not through endless military
deployments; it’s with our diplomacy, our economic tools, and rallying
the world to join us.
Now, let me lay out the current mission in
Afghanistan. I was asked to authorize — and I did — 6,000 U.S. troops
to deploy to Afghanistan for the purpose of assisting in the departure
of U.S. and Allied civilian personnel from Afghanistan, and to evacuate
our Afghan allies and vulnerable Afghans to safety outside of
Afghanistan.
Our troops are working to secure the airfield and to
ensure continued operation of both the civilian and military flights.
We’re taking over air traffic control.
We have safely shut down
our embassy and transferred our diplomats. Our dip- — our diplomatic
presence is now consolidated at the airport as well.
Over the coming days, we intend to transport out thousands of American citizens who have been living and working in Afghanistan.
We’ll
also continue to support the safe departure of civilian personnel — the
civilian personnel of our Allies who are still serving in Afghanistan.
Operation
Allies Refugee [Refuge], which I announced back in July, has already
moved 2,000 Afghans who are eligible for Special Immigration Visas and
their families to the United States.
In the coming days, the U.S.
military will provide assistance to move more SIV-eligible Afghans and
their families out of Afghanistan.
We’re also expanding refugee
access to cover other vulnerable Afghans who worked for our embassy:
U.S. non-governmental agencies — or the U.S. non-governmental
organizations; and Afghans who otherwise are at great risk; and U.S.
news agencies.
I know that there are concerns about why we did
not begin evacuating Afghans — civilians sooner. Part of the answer is
some of the Afghans did not want to leave earlier — still hopeful for
their country. And part of it was because the Afghan government and its
supporters discouraged us from organizing a mass exodus to avoid
triggering, as they said, “a crisis of confidence.”
American troops are performing this mission as professionally and as effectively as they always do, but it is not without risks.
As
we carry out this departure, we have made it clear to the Taliban: If
they attack our personnel or disrupt our operation, the U.S. presence
will be swift and the response will be swift and forceful. We will
defend our people with devastating force if necessary.
Our
current military mission will be short in time, limited in scope, and
focused in its objectives: Get our people and our allies to safety as
quickly as possible.
And once we have completed this mission, we
will conclude our military withdrawal. We will end America’s longest
war after 20 long years of bloodshed.
The events we’re seeing now
are sadly proof that no amount of military force would ever deliver a
stable, united, and secure Afghanistan — as known in history as the
“graveyard of empires.”
What is happening now could just as
easily have happened 5 years ago or 15 years in the future. We have to
be honest: Our mission in Afghanistan has taken many missteps — made
many missteps over the past two decades.
I’m now the fourth
American President to preside over war in Afghanistan — two Democrats
and two Republicans. I will not pass this responsibly on —
responsibility on to a fifth President.
I will not mislead the
American people by claiming that just a little more time in Afghanistan
will make all the difference. Nor will I shrink from my share of
responsibility for where we are today and how we must move forward from
here.
I am President of the United States of America, and the buck stops with me.
I
am deeply saddened by the facts we now face. But I do not regret my
decision to end America’s warfighting in Afghanistan and maintain a
laser-focus on our counterterrorism missions there and in other parts of
the world.
Our mission to degrade the terrorist threat of al Qaeda in Afghanistan and kill Osama bin Laden was a success.
Our
decades-long effort to overcome centuries of history and permanently
change and remake Afghanistan was not, and I wrote and believed it never
could be.
I cannot and I will not ask our troops to fight on
endlessly in another — in another country’s civil war, taking
casualties, suffering life-shattering injuries, leaving families broken
by grief and loss.
This is not in our national security
interest. It is not what the American people want. It is not what our
troops, who have sacrificed so much over the past two decades, deserve.
I
made a commitment to the American people when I ran for President that I
would bring America’s military involvement in Afghanistan to an end.
And while it’s been hard and messy — and yes, far from perfect — I’ve
honored that commitment.
More importantly, I made a commitment to
the brave men and women who serve this nation that I wasn’t going to
ask them to continue to risk their lives in a military action that
should have ended long ago.
Our leaders did that in Vietnam when I got here as a young man. I will not do it in Afghanistan.
I
know my decision will be criticized, but I would rather take all that
criticism than pass this decision on to another President of the United
States — yet another one — a fifth one.
Because it’s the right
one — it’s the right decision for our people. The right one for our
brave service members who have risked their lives serving our nation.
And it’s the right one for America.
So, thank you. May God protect our troops, our diplomats, and all of the brave Americans serving in harm’s way.
Patrick Martin (WSWS) evaluates the speech:
In the course of the speech, Biden effectively admitted that the pretexts under which the United States invaded Afghanistan were lies. Despite the claims of the Bush administration and the entire media that a central aim of the US invasion and occupation was the promotion of democracy and the well-being of the Afghan population, Biden declared the United States could not care less.
“Our mission in Afghanistan was never supposed to have been nation building,” he said. “It was never supposed to be creating a unified centralized democracy. Our only vital national interest in Afghanistan remains today what it has always been, preventing a terrorist attack on the American homeland.”
In other words, the claim by George W. Bush, who launched the war in Afghanistan saying he sought to save “a people from starvation, and freed a country from brutal oppression,” was a lie.
To the extent that anyone was to blame for the US debacle in Afghanistan, Biden insisted, it was the Afghan people, who were ungrateful to the United States military, which had spent two decades assassinating, torturing and bombing them.
Even as he effectively admitted that the Bush administration lied about seeking to build democracy and bring prosperity to the people of Afghanistan, Biden doubled down on another lie--that the US war was launched to fight terrorism in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.
The US intervention in Afghanistan, which has had such catastrophic consequences for the people of that country, did not begin 20 years ago, but in 1978, during the presidency of Jimmy Carter. It started as an effort to foment civil war by mobilizing insurgents against a Soviet-backed government in Kabul, and give Moscow “its own Vietnam,” in the words of Carter’s chief strategist, Zbigniew Brzezinski.
This policy was continued aggressively under the Reagan administration, whose CIA director, William Casey, encouraged Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to recruit and arm Islamic fundamentalists from all over the Middle East to join the fighting, leading to the rise of Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.
The Taliban emerged from the same process at a later stage, after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan and the collapse of the USSR. Working through the government of Pakistan, the Clinton administration promoted the Islamist movement as a force for stability and a potential vehicle for US access to the oil resources of Central Asia.
Glenn Greenwald (SUBSTACK) observes, "For two decades, the message Americans heard from their political and military leaders about the country’s longest war was the same. America is winning. The Taliban is on the verge of permanent obliteration. The U.S. is fortifying the Afghan security forces, which are close to being able to stand on their own and defend the government and the country."
Again, this all has huge implications for Iraq. The US government keeps insisting it has to train, to train, to train . . .. Remember when Gary Ackerman was in Congress? Remember when he used to call out the government for this nonsense? Training has accomplished nothing.
Let's drop back to the February 8, 2012 snapshot:
Below Katie Halper discusses the situation with Mike Prysner., Iraq War veteran, part of March Forward.
Mike's an important voice, I'm glad he's on. I'm glad Katie interviewed him. I do hope the circle allowed to speak expands. I get it, I wouldn't have on fake asses myself and most of the 'names' who objected to the wars on Afghanistan and Iraq were just whores using the war as a turn-out-the-vote measure. Phyllis, Norman, all the rest.
We need more voices, not less.
Below, Glenn Greenwald is discussing the reality of Afghanistan versus what the American people were repeatedly told.
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